From owner-ibis Fri Jul 2 01:00:44 1999 Received: from exchtp02.via.com.tw (exchange2.via.com.tw [202.145.217.249]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA23658 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:00:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHANGE2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:56:12 +0800 Message-ID: <9BADB79F06B3D211974800A0C92BD8A001646FA5@EXCHANGE2> From: Denis Chen To: "'ibis-users@vhdl.org'" Subject: subscribe DenisChen@via.com.tw Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:56:03 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="BIG5" subscribe DenisChen@via.com.tw From owner-ibis Fri Jul 2 01:00:20 1999 Received: from exchtp02.via.com.tw (exchange2.via.com.tw [202.145.217.249]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id BAA23651 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 01:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by EXCHANGE2 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:55:41 +0800 Message-ID: <9BADB79F06B3D211974800A0C92BD8A001668781@EXCHANGE2> From: Teddy Chou To: "'ibis-users@vhdl.org'" Subject: subscribe Date: Fri, 2 Jul 1999 15:55:31 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain subscribe TeddyChou@via.com.tw From owner-ibis Tue Jul 6 13:47:41 1999 Received: from proxy.internal.issiusa.com (root@[204.118.80.2]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id NAA16910 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 13:47:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from issi.com (root@[204.118.80.190]) by proxy.internal.issiusa.com (8.9.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19092 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 1999 12:56:13 -0700 Message-ID: <37827208.AFA04AD5@issi.com> Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 14:15:52 -0700 From: Kenneth E Young Organization: ISSI Corp X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Example of multiple voltage supplies Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------DF9B0F08CF918039E05958F6" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DF9B0F08CF918039E05958F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am looking for an example that shows how to IBIS a device which has two separate power supply sets of pins, VCC and VCCQ, where VCC is the internal supply, excluding the source of the Pch in the outputs, and VCCQ is the pins to the source of the Pch in the output. Question 1: How to properly show this in the pin list Question 2: How to show a VCCQ range of 3.0V to 3.6V AND 2.25V to 2.75V in the same file. Question 3: How to show multiple PULLUP and PULLDOWN wave forms based on the 50 ohm terminator for each being first to VCCQ, then to GND. I have the IBIS FORUM I/O BUFFER MODELING COOKBOOK and the I/O Buffer Information Specification (IBIS) Version 2.1 (Dec 13, 1995) and both make reference to this being possible, but, no examples. I have also searched many web sites for examples, but, no one does any of the above. Can any one help? Ken Young ISSI Corp 408-969-4605 --------------DF9B0F08CF918039E05958F6 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="ken_young.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Kenneth E Young Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ken_young.vcf" begin:vcard n:Young;Kenneth tel;fax:408-588-0807 tel;work:408-969-4605 x-mozilla-html:FALSE adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 email;internet:ken_young@issi.com fn:Kenneth Young end:vcard --------------DF9B0F08CF918039E05958F6-- From owner-ibis Fri Jul 9 08:59:58 1999 Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA10290 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: [from pobox2.mot.com (pobox2.mot.com [129.188.137.195]) by ftpbox.mot.com (MOT-ftpbox 1.0) with ESMTP id KAA06495 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:53:49 -0500 (CDT)] Received: [from msgphx1.sps.mot.com (msgphx1.sps.mot.com [216.11.52.1]) by pobox2.mot.com (MOT-pobox2 2.0) with ESMTP id KAA25786 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 10:53:49 -0500 (CDT)] Received: from email.sps.mot.com ([223.97.249.144]) by msgphx1.sps.mot.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA17A for ; Fri, 9 Jul 1999 08:53:48 -0700 Sender: robertg@pobox2.mot.com Message-ID: <37861B0E.6ED1EC33@email.sps.mot.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 10:53:50 -0500 From: "Robert Goodrich (ra3862)" Organization: Motorola, Imaging & Storage Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ibis-users@eda.org" Subject: Package Models (.pkg) Format Question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Motorola-Sent-Wireless: 1 To all: I have recieved electrical data for a QFP package in the following form: R11 - self resistance, corner and center lead values L11 - self inductance, corner and center lead values L12 - mutual inductance to 1st adjacent lead, corner and center lead values L13 - mutual inductance to 2nd adjacent lead, corner and center lead values C11 - bulk capacitance, corner and center lead values C12 - mutual capacitance to 1st adjacent lead, corner and center lead values C13 - mutual capacitance to 2nd adjacent lead, corner and center lead values I am trying to put this data together in ibis format (.pkg) (banded matrix? Bandwidth = 2?), but have never seen a .pkg file or the format. I have the ibis spec, but it lacks examples and leaves too much to be assumed. Does anyone have any examples/experience to help clarify the best way for me to input this data? Thanks, --RobG -- Rob Goodrich Circuit Design - Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) Motorola SPS, I&E Solutions 6501 William Cannon Drive West MD: OE37 Austin, TX 78735 ra3862@email.sps.mot.com (512) 895-7341 From owner-ibis Tue Jul 20 08:38:58 1999 Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [129.188.136.102]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA14953 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate2.mot.com (MOT-motgate2 1.0) with ESMTP id KAA06493 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:33:40 -0500 (CDT)] Received: [from msgphx1.sps.mot.com (msgphx1.sps.mot.com [216.11.52.1]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id KAA12925 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:32:43 -0500 (CDT)] Received: from email.sps.mot.com ([223.97.249.144]) by msgphx1.sps.mot.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with ESMTP id AAA541E for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:32:42 -0700 Sender: robertg@mothost.mot.com Message-ID: <3794969C.E383D252@email.sps.mot.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:32:45 -0500 From: "Robert Goodrich (ra3862)" Organization: Motorola, Imaging & Storage Division X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ibis-users@eda.org" Subject: Package model varification needed! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------259268DCF500273C02B4B843" X-Motorola-Sent-Wireless: 1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------259268DCF500273C02B4B843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All: I have created a package from the manufacturers data and the IBIS spec. Can anyone tell me if it is in the correct format? I have attached the .pkg model and the data is as follows: R11 - self resistance, corner = 129.8mOhm, center = 120.0mOhm L11 - self inductance, corner = 9.760nH, center = 7.050nH L12 - mutual inductance to 1st adjacent lead, corner = 5.905nH, center = 3.723nH L13 - mutual inductance to 2nd adjacent lead, corner = 4.589nH, center = 2.948nH C11 - bulk capacitance, corner = 1.234pF, center = 1.048pF C12 - mutual capacitance to 1st adjacent lead, corner = 0.571pF, center = 0.325pF C13 - mutual capacitance to 2nd adjacent lead, corner = 0.084pF, center = 0.055pF I appreciate any insight as I need to release this model and would like to include the packege model portion if I can believe it is correct. --Rob -- Rob Goodrich Circuit Design - Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT) Motorola SPS, I&E Solutions 6501 William Cannon Drive West MD: OE37 Austin, TX 78735 ra3862@email.sps.mot.com (512) 895-7341 --------------259268DCF500273C02B4B843 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="sample.pkg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sample.pkg" |************************************************************************ |****************** Sample IBIS Package Model REV 0.0 ******************* |************************************************************************ |************************************************************************ | [IBIS ver] 2.1 [File name] sample.pkg [File Rev] 0.0 [Date] 07/20/99 [Source] Motorola SPS, I & E Solutions, ISD. Created by Robert Goodrich: Phone# 512-895-7341 E-Mail: R.Goodrich@motorola.com [Notes] This IBIS .pkg model is preliminary. [Disclaimer] Preliminary IBIS - rev 0.0 [Copyright] Copyright Motorola Inc., All rights reserved | |************************************************************************ | [Define Package Model] Somebodys_208_QFP [Manufacturer] Motorola Inc. [OEM] Somebody [Description] 208-Pin QFP [Number of Pins] 208 | [Pin Numbers] 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 | [Model Data] | | The resistance matrix for this package has no coupling | [Resistance Matrix] Banded_matrix [Bandwidth] 0 [Row] 1 129.8mOhm [Row] 2 120.0mOhm [Row] 3 120.0mOhm [Row] 4 120.0mOhm [Row] 5 120.0mOhm [Row] 6 120.0mOhm [Row] 7 120.0mOhm [Row] 8 120.0mOhm [Row] 9 120.0mOhm [Row] 10 120.0mOhm [Row] 11 120.0mOhm [Row] 12 120.0mOhm [Row] 13 120.0mOhm [Row] 14 120.0mOhm [Row] 15 120.0mOhm [Row] 16 120.0mOhm [Row] 17 120.0mOhm [Row] 18 120.0mOhm [Row] 19 120.0mOhm [Row] 20 120.0mOhm [Row] 21 120.0mOhm [Row] 22 120.0mOhm [Row] 23 120.0mOhm [Row] 24 120.0mOhm [Row] 25 120.0mOhm [Row] 26 120.0mOhm [Row] 27 120.0mOhm [Row] 28 120.0mOhm [Row] 29 120.0mOhm [Row] 30 120.0mOhm [Row] 31 120.0mOhm [Row] 32 120.0mOhm [Row] 33 120.0mOhm [Row] 34 120.0mOhm [Row] 35 120.0mOhm [Row] 36 120.0mOhm [Row] 37 120.0mOhm [Row] 38 120.0mOhm [Row] 39 120.0mOhm [Row] 40 120.0mOhm [Row] 41 120.0mOhm [Row] 42 120.0mOhm [Row] 43 120.0mOhm [Row] 44 120.0mOhm [Row] 45 120.0mOhm [Row] 46 120.0mOhm [Row] 47 120.0mOhm [Row] 48 120.0mOhm [Row] 49 120.0mOhm [Row] 50 120.0mOhm [Row] 51 120.0mOhm [Row] 52 129.8mOhm [Row] 53 129.8mOhm [Row] 54 120.0mOhm [Row] 55 120.0mOhm [Row] 56 120.0mOhm [Row] 57 120.0mOhm [Row] 58 120.0mOhm [Row] 59 120.0mOhm [Row] 60 120.0mOhm [Row] 61 120.0mOhm [Row] 62 120.0mOhm [Row] 63 120.0mOhm [Row] 64 120.0mOhm [Row] 65 120.0mOhm [Row] 66 120.0mOhm [Row] 67 120.0mOhm [Row] 68 120.0mOhm [Row] 69 120.0mOhm [Row] 70 120.0mOhm [Row] 71 120.0mOhm [Row] 72 120.0mOhm [Row] 73 120.0mOhm [Row] 74 120.0mOhm [Row] 75 120.0mOhm [Row] 76 120.0mOhm [Row] 77 120.0mOhm [Row] 78 120.0mOhm [Row] 79 120.0mOhm [Row] 80 120.0mOhm [Row] 81 120.0mOhm [Row] 82 120.0mOhm [Row] 83 120.0mOhm [Row] 84 120.0mOhm [Row] 85 120.0mOhm [Row] 86 120.0mOhm [Row] 87 120.0mOhm [Row] 88 120.0mOhm [Row] 89 120.0mOhm [Row] 90 120.0mOhm [Row] 91 120.0mOhm [Row] 92 120.0mOhm [Row] 93 120.0mOhm [Row] 94 120.0mOhm [Row] 95 120.0mOhm [Row] 96 120.0mOhm [Row] 97 120.0mOhm [Row] 98 120.0mOhm [Row] 99 120.0mOhm [Row] 100 120.0mOhm [Row] 101 120.0mOhm [Row] 102 120.0mOhm [Row] 103 120.0mOhm [Row] 104 129.8mOhm [Row] 105 129.8mOhm [Row] 106 120.0mOhm [Row] 107 120.0mOhm [Row] 108 120.0mOhm [Row] 109 120.0mOhm [Row] 110 120.0mOhm [Row] 111 120.0mOhm [Row] 112 120.0mOhm [Row] 113 120.0mOhm [Row] 114 120.0mOhm [Row] 115 120.0mOhm [Row] 116 120.0mOhm [Row] 117 120.0mOhm [Row] 118 120.0mOhm [Row] 119 120.0mOhm [Row] 120 120.0mOhm [Row] 121 120.0mOhm [Row] 122 120.0mOhm [Row] 123 120.0mOhm [Row] 124 120.0mOhm [Row] 125 120.0mOhm [Row] 126 120.0mOhm [Row] 127 120.0mOhm [Row] 128 120.0mOhm [Row] 129 120.0mOhm [Row] 130 120.0mOhm [Row] 131 120.0mOhm [Row] 132 120.0mOhm [Row] 133 120.0mOhm [Row] 134 120.0mOhm [Row] 135 120.0mOhm [Row] 136 120.0mOhm [Row] 137 120.0mOhm [Row] 138 120.0mOhm [Row] 139 120.0mOhm [Row] 140 120.0mOhm [Row] 141 120.0mOhm [Row] 142 120.0mOhm [Row] 143 120.0mOhm [Row] 144 120.0mOhm [Row] 145 120.0mOhm [Row] 146 120.0mOhm [Row] 147 120.0mOhm [Row] 148 120.0mOhm [Row] 149 120.0mOhm [Row] 150 120.0mOhm [Row] 151 120.0mOhm [Row] 152 120.0mOhm [Row] 153 120.0mOhm [Row] 154 120.0mOhm [Row] 155 120.0mOhm [Row] 156 129.8mOhm [Row] 157 129.8mOhm [Row] 158 120.0mOhm [Row] 159 120.0mOhm [Row] 160 120.0mOhm [Row] 161 120.0mOhm [Row] 162 120.0mOhm [Row] 163 120.0mOhm [Row] 164 120.0mOhm [Row] 165 120.0mOhm [Row] 166 120.0mOhm [Row] 167 120.0mOhm [Row] 168 120.0mOhm [Row] 169 120.0mOhm [Row] 170 120.0mOhm [Row] 171 120.0mOhm [Row] 172 120.0mOhm [Row] 173 120.0mOhm [Row] 174 120.0mOhm [Row] 175 120.0mOhm [Row] 176 120.0mOhm [Row] 177 120.0mOhm [Row] 178 120.0mOhm [Row] 179 120.0mOhm [Row] 180 120.0mOhm [Row] 181 120.0mOhm [Row] 182 120.0mOhm [Row] 183 120.0mOhm [Row] 184 120.0mOhm [Row] 185 120.0mOhm [Row] 186 120.0mOhm [Row] 187 120.0mOhm [Row] 188 120.0mOhm [Row] 189 120.0mOhm [Row] 190 120.0mOhm [Row] 191 120.0mOhm [Row] 192 120.0mOhm [Row] 193 120.0mOhm [Row] 194 120.0mOhm [Row] 195 120.0mOhm [Row] 196 120.0mOhm [Row] 197 120.0mOhm [Row] 198 120.0mOhm [Row] 199 120.0mOhm [Row] 200 120.0mOhm [Row] 201 120.0mOhm [Row] 202 120.0mOhm [Row] 203 120.0mOhm [Row] 204 120.0mOhm [Row] 205 120.0mOhm [Row] 206 120.0mOhm [Row] 207 120.0mOhm [Row] 208 129.8mOhm | | The inductance matrix has mutual coupling to two adjacent leads | [Inductance Matrix] Banded_matrix [Bandwidth] 2 |Self 1st Adjacent 2nd Adjacent [Row] 1 9.760nH 5.905nH 4.589nH [Row] 2 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 3 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 4 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 5 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 6 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 7 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 8 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 9 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 10 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 11 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 12 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 13 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 14 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 15 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 16 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 17 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 18 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 19 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 20 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 21 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 22 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 23 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 24 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 25 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 26 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 27 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 28 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 29 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 30 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 31 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 32 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 33 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 34 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 35 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 36 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 37 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 38 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 39 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 40 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 41 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 42 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 43 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 44 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 45 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 46 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 47 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 48 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 49 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 50 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 51 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 52 9.760nH 5.905nH 4.589nH [Row] 53 9.760nH 5.905nH 4.589nH [Row] 54 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 55 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 56 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 57 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 58 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 59 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 60 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 61 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 62 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 63 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 64 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 65 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 66 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 67 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 68 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 69 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 70 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 71 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 72 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 73 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 74 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 75 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 76 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 77 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 78 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 79 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 80 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 81 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 82 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 83 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 84 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 85 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 86 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 87 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 88 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 89 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 90 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 91 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 92 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 93 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 94 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 95 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 96 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 97 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 98 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 99 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 100 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 101 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 102 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 103 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 104 9.760nH 5.905nH 4.589nH [Row] 105 9.760nH 5.905nH 4.589nH [Row] 106 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 107 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 108 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 109 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 110 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 111 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 112 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 113 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 114 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 115 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 116 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 117 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 118 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 119 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 120 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 121 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 122 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 123 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 124 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 125 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 126 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 127 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 128 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 129 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 130 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 131 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 132 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 133 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 134 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 135 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 136 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 137 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 138 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 139 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 140 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 141 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 142 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 143 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 144 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 145 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 146 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 147 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 148 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 149 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 150 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 151 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 152 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 153 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 154 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 155 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 156 9.760nH 5.905nH 4.589nH [Row] 157 9.760nH 5.905nH 4.589nH [Row] 158 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 159 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 160 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 161 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 162 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 163 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 164 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 165 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 166 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 167 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 168 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 169 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 170 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 171 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 172 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 173 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 174 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 175 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 176 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 177 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 178 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 179 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 180 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 181 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 182 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 183 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 184 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 185 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 186 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 187 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 188 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 189 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 190 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 191 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 192 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 193 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 194 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 195 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 196 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 197 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 198 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 199 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 200 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 201 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 202 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 203 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 204 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 205 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 206 7.050nH 3.723nH 2.948nH [Row] 207 7.050nH 3.723nH [Row] 208 9.760nH | | The capacitance matrix has has mutual coupling to two adjacent leads | [Capacitance Matrix] Banded_matrix [Bandwidth] 2 |Bulk 1st Adjacent 2nd Adjacent [Row] 1 1.234pF 0.571pF 0.084pF [Row] 2 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 3 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 4 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 5 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 6 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 7 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 8 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 9 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 10 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 11 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 12 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 13 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 14 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 15 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 16 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 17 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 18 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 19 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 20 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 21 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 22 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 23 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 24 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 25 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 26 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 27 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 28 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 29 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 30 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 31 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 32 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 33 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 34 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 35 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 36 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 37 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 38 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 39 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 40 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 41 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 42 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 43 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 44 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 45 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 46 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 47 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 48 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 49 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 50 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 51 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 52 1.234pF 0.571pF 0.084pF [Row] 53 1.234pF 0.571pF 0.084pF [Row] 54 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 55 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 56 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 57 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 58 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 59 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 60 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 61 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 62 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 63 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 64 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 65 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 66 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 67 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 68 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 69 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 70 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 71 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 72 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 73 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 74 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 75 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 76 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 77 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 78 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 79 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 80 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 81 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 82 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 83 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 84 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 85 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 86 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 87 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 88 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 89 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 90 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 91 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 92 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 93 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 94 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 95 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 96 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 97 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 98 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 99 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 100 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 101 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 102 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 103 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 104 1.234pF 0.571pF 0.084pF [Row] 105 1.234pF 0.571pF 0.084pF [Row] 106 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 107 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 108 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 109 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 110 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 111 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 112 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 113 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 114 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 115 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 116 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 117 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 118 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 119 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 120 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 121 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 122 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 123 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 124 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 125 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 126 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 127 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 128 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 129 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 130 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 131 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 132 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 133 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 134 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 135 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 136 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 137 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 138 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 139 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 140 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 141 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 142 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 143 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 144 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 145 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 146 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 147 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 148 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 149 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 150 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 151 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 152 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 153 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 154 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 155 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 156 1.234pF 0.571pF 0.084pF [Row] 157 1.234pF 0.571pF 0.084pF [Row] 158 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 159 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 160 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 161 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 162 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 163 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 164 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 165 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 166 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 167 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 168 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 169 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 170 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 171 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 172 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 173 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 174 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 175 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 176 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 177 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 178 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 179 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 180 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 181 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 182 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 183 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 184 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 185 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 186 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 187 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 188 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 189 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 190 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 191 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 192 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 193 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 194 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 195 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 196 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 197 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 198 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 199 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 200 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 201 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 202 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 203 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 204 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 205 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 206 1.048pF 0.325pF 0.055pF [Row] 207 1.048pF 0.325pF [Row] 208 1.234pF | [End Model Data] [End Package Model] [End] | --------------259268DCF500273C02B4B843-- From owner-ibis Tue Jul 20 15:32:40 1999 Received: from mail.ixpres.com (mail.ixpres.com [207.137.28.4]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id PAA16210 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from meagin.ixpres.com (dsl-nsasearch-245-49-34.ixpres.com [209.245.49.34]) by mail.ixpres.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA10610 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Meagin Monahan" To: Subject: JOB Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:28:23 -0700 Message-ID: <003101bed2ff$2e018ea0$2f010181@meagin.ixpres.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 JOB DESCRIPTIONS I/O Application Manager Sr. I/O Circuit Application Design Engineer 7+ years exp. In ASIC Design and applications exp. Strong system knowledge. Hands on exp., on VERI, and SPICE. Familiar with ASIC I/O specifications and interface requirements. Circuit Design, IBIS, and Management exp. We are looking for a couple of good engineers in the Bay Area, San Diego, Huntington Beach and the East Coast. We have about three start-up companies as well as large established companies. They are also looking for U.S Citizens. And are willing to relocate from anywhere. Thanks Everyone! Be sure to pass my name along if anyone comes to mind. Send resumes to: Meagin Monahan (760) 431-1750 x 157 meaginm@nsasearch.com www.nsasearch.com From owner-ibis Wed Jul 21 12:17:48 1999 Received: from ganymede.or.intel.com (ganymede.or.intel.com [134.134.248.3]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA19643 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (ichips-jf.jf.intel.com [134.134.50.200]) by ganymede.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA11063; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xtg801.pdx.intel.com (xtg801.pdx.intel.com [134.134.114.35]) by ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: internal.m4,v 1.2 1998/11/09 19:18:37 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA29205; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ichips.intel.com (localhost.pdx.intel.com [127.0.0.1]) by xtg801.pdx.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) with ESMTP id MAA04231; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199907211911.MAA04231@xtg801.pdx.intel.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: "Robert Goodrich (ra3862)" cc: "ibis-users@eda.org" Subject: Re: Package model varification needed! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:32:45 CDT." <3794969C.E383D252@email.sps.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:11:29 -0700 From: Stephen Peters Hello Robert: I took a quick look thru your file, and it looks OK. Have you run it thru the golden parser? That would be the real test for checking format and syntax. Regards, Stephen Peters Intel Corp. From owner-ibis Wed Jul 21 12:26:06 1999 Received: from hebe.or.intel.com (hebe.or.intel.com [134.134.248.4]) by server.eda.org (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id MAA19656 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (ichips-jf.jf.intel.com [134.134.50.200]) by hebe.or.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.6 1998/11/24 22:10:56 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA24938; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xtg801.pdx.intel.com (xtg801.pdx.intel.com [134.134.114.35]) by ichips-jf.jf.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: internal.m4,v 1.2 1998/11/09 19:18:37 iwep Exp iwep $) with ESMTP id MAA00058; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ichips.intel.com (localhost.pdx.intel.com [127.0.0.1]) by xtg801.pdx.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) with ESMTP id MAA04515; Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:19:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199907211919.MAA04515@xtg801.pdx.intel.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0delta 6/3/97 To: "Meagin Monahan" cc: ibis-users@eda.org Subject: Re: JOB In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:28:23 PDT." <003101bed2ff$2e018ea0$2f010181@meagin.ixpres.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:19:48 -0700 From: Stephen Peters Hello Meagin: According to both EIA and IBIS open forum policy, the ibis and ibis-users reflectors are for discussion of IBIS related issues *only*. We do not allow job postings. If you wish to post job opening, the si-list reflector would be the appropriate forum. Thanks for your future cooperation. Regards, Stephen Peters Intel Corp. Vice Chair, EIA-IBIS Open Forum