Subject: Re: New vote on SUAVE or Objective VHDL
From: Dale E. Martin (dmartin@clifton-labs.com)
Date: Fri Jun 23 2000 - 16:55:12 PDT
John Michael Williams <jwill@pacbell.net> writes:
> My comment was meant to point out that the only "work"
> the group seems to have been doing was writing
> computer programs and arguing over which one was the
> better.
Hi John. I think I understand where you're coming from, but I feel that
you're a little off target here. I'd like to point out that both groups
have provided a fair amount of standards type documents - certainly not
full LRMs but documents that Paul Menchini reviewed and only found
nominal problems with. Obviously he has a decent idea what a standards
document should look like.
In addition to those documents, there have been many other papers and
articles written comparing various approaches and their strengths and
weaknesses. I'm sure Peter and others could provide references for you.
> But the group should have been writing a standards document to help
> potential users of object-oriented (constructs in) VHDL! Why not
> rename the group, the "OO-VHDL Compiler Writing Club"?
> Sorry to sound satirical, but what does it take?
The other question I'd like to ask is what good does an LRM document
alone do? Give the VHDL LRM to someone who doesn't know VHDL and see if
they get any sense of what it's about, and what it can do for them. My
personal view is that they'll get nothing out of such an exercise - they
would need to see some examples at the very least. A description of how
to use the language probably would also be useful - how to simulate,
synthesize, etc. with the language.
> I move that the vote be cancelled as irrelevent to standards activity.
What would you suggest?
> If you insist in a vote between two commercial software projects, then
> at least let the voters decide WHETHER these two software projects
> should be occupying their time. Add an alternative, "Neither of the
> above".
I'd like to hear your concrete objection to either language. I'd also
would like to know who is commercializing either system? I'm not aware
of such an effort of SUAVE and I've been somewhat involved in this
process, although not too much recently. Did I miss some announcement?
> Not to say that the two programs are not of themselves metitorious:
> It's just that holding votes on them merely further prolongs the term
> of the (abortion?).
Again, please suggest an alternative before you go off the handle. If
you feel a vote is inappropriate, start some discussion about
alternatives to these approaches and see where it goes.
My $0.02 (US ;-))
Dale
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